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best cutting tips?

2006-08-31 02:04:17 AM
What are the best cutting tips people have here?
Putting on mass is easy but cutting fat is a wicked bitch. :(
I have cut my calories to about 1700/day with about 160g protein.
I have kept up lifting but have added some cardio(spinning classes at
the gym!). For some reason the fat isn't coming off as easily as in the
past...guess I am getting old. :(
Any other tips? Like most people, I suppose I'd like to cut as quickly
as possible. The thing is is that I hate stimulant supplements. I have
never tried the ECA stack though, does that avoid the jittery scatter
brained side effects of other fat burners?
Any general cutting advice would be much appreciated!
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"TheGist" <nowhere@nospam.nospam>wrote in message
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What are the best cutting tips people have here?
Putting on mass is easy but cutting fat is a wicked bitch. :(
I have cut my calories to about 1700/day with about 160g protein.
I have kept up lifting but have added some cardio(spinning classes at
the gym!). For some reason the fat isn't coming off as easily as in
the past...guess I am getting old. :(
Any other tips? Like most people, I suppose I'd like to cut as quickly
as possible. The thing is is that I hate stimulant supplements. I have
never tried the ECA stack though, does that avoid the jittery scatter
brained side effects of other fat burners?
Any general cutting advice would be much appreciated!
Here's one approach we were discussing in another thread:
www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do
The gist of it is: 10x bodyweight in calories and very low carbs. If
you can't get cut on that, you're in trouble. :) The rest of the article
is good, but that's the essence of it. Here's a chart from the article:
Bw Calories Protein Carb Fat
100 lbs 1000kcal 75g 25g 66g
150 lbs 1500kcal 113g 38g 100g
200 lbs 2000kcal 150g 50g 132g
250 lbs 2500kcal 188g 63g 167g
300 lbs 3000kcal 226g 76g 200g
I recommend you read the entire article.
-S-
www.kbnj.com
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On the same note..I haven't altered my routine at all.
Should I be doing different excercises when cutting? That doesn't make
too much sense to me but I'd be curious if someone thought otherwise?
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TheGist wrote:
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Any other tips?
Drink lots of water. Drink so much water that you burn an extra 500
calories a day dashing for the toilet. (The in-joke name for Body for
Life is "Potty for Life.")
Get lots of sleep. You'll make better food choices and be better
energized for your exercise.
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The thing is is that I hate stimulant supplements. I have
never tried the ECA stack though, does that avoid the jittery scatter
brained side effects of other fat burners?
Um, let's see: put ephedrine and caffeine together... however could THAT
cause jitteriness? (smirk)
If you want to start stacking you should ramp up slowly, maybe start
with 8 mg ephedrine and a cup of coffee.
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Any general cutting advice would be much appreciated!
Suck it up, buttercup. Cutting isn't for the faint of heart.
Dally
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"TheGist" <nowhere@nospam.nospam>wrote in message
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On the same note..I haven't altered my routine at all.
Should I be doing different excercises when cutting? That doesn't make
too much sense to me but I'd be curious if someone thought otherwise?
I don't know if it works the same for Liberals as it does for Conservatives,
so you may not want to take my advice. I've also heard that male Liberals
should apply the principles of what a Conservative woman would use in
regards to kcal calculations, etc. That should be pretty close.
But when cutting, I shoot for 3 - 5 sets of 10 -12 reps in whatever I'm
doing. Also, I don't at all focus on increasing my strength / weights, but
rather simply on keeping what I have. Which is tough, and most likely not
be possible if you cut a bunch. I'm down 11 lbs in two months currently,
and I've lost ssome trength. I'll stay with this for another four lbs or so
and then level off.
-Larry
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TheGist wrote:
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What are the best cutting tips people have here?
theabsdiet.com/
Wal-Mart, $10.88, do it.
See also:
groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/c31b3b1d99c5b425
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Putting on mass is easy
SEZ YOU!
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but cutting fat is a wicked bitch. :(
I have cut my calories to about 1700/day with about 160g protein.
I have kept up lifting but have added some cardio(spinning classes at
the gym!).
I thought long, slow distance was better for fat loss. Aren't spin
classes more anaerobic?
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For some reason the fat isn't coming off as easily as in the
past...guess I am getting old. :(
Any other tips? Like most people, I suppose I'd like to cut as quickly
as possible. The thing is is that I hate stimulant supplements. I have
never tried the ECA stack though, does that avoid the jittery scatter
brained side effects of other fat burners?
Any general cutting advice would be much appreciated!
Well, a.m. and p.m. cardio would be my first step. Tuna and egg whites
substituting for the fatty meats and candy bars would be a close second
step.
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Curt
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TheGist wrote:
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What are the best cutting tips people have here?
Putting on mass is easy but cutting fat is a wicked bitch. :(
I have cut my calories to about 1700/day with about 160g protein.
I have kept up lifting but have added some cardio(spinning classes at
the gym!). For some reason the fat isn't coming off as easily as in the
past...guess I am getting old. :(
Any other tips? Like most people, I suppose I'd like to cut as quickly
as possible. The thing is is that I hate stimulant supplements. I have
never tried the ECA stack though, does that avoid the jittery scatter
brained side effects of other fat burners?
Any general cutting advice would be much appreciated!
Google the group for Protein Sparing Modified Fast diet. David Cohen
is a (former) big proponent. It does work.
Here's the source: www.bodyrecomposition.com/
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Larry Hodges wrote:
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But when cutting, I shoot for 3 - 5 sets of 10 -12 reps in whatever I'm
doing. Also, I don't at all focus on increasing my strength / weights, but
rather simply on keeping what I have. Which is tough, and most likely not
be possible if you cut a bunch.
Sounds like, uh, sound advice.
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I'm down 11 lbs in two months currently<snip>
Are you going to post some more pics wearing a longsleeved sweatshirt
and jeans to show off your clothingfat percentage, Larry?
(ducks, runs, etc.)
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-Larry
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Curt
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"TheGist" <nowhere@nospam.nospam>schreef:
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What are the best cutting tips people have here?
Do one heavy. low rep, 4-8, low set, 3-4 workout with mosltly compounds once
a week. To maintain the muscle you allready have.
For the rest, cardio, cardio, cardio...
Be carefull not to cut the calories too much. There is a mechanism, millions
years old, that will slow down tme BMR when calories are restricted, and the
body will feed the fat cells as much as possible, so you can survive.
Try Cardio 6 times a week, with one heavy workout.
Or cardio 5 times a week, split the body in 2. Dont go below 2000 Kcal.
Trust me.
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Pete
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Pete wrote:
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"TheGist" <nowhere@nospam.nospam>schreef:

>What are the best cutting tips people have here?

Do one heavy. low rep, 4-8, low set, 3-4 workout with mosltly compounds once
a week. To maintain the muscle you allready have.

For the rest, cardio, cardio, cardio...

Be carefull not to cut the calories too much. There is a mechanism, millions
years old, that will slow down tme BMR when calories are restricted, and the
body will feed the fat cells as much as possible, so you can survive.

Try Cardio 6 times a week, with one heavy workout.
Or cardio 5 times a week, split the body in 2. Dont go below 2000 Kcal.
Trust me.
But suppose my BMR is below 2000 kcal?
My BMR is about 1900 Kcal. Are you suggetsing I actually eat above
maintenance and create the deficit via excercise? Is that betterthan
just eating below BMR?
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Curt James wrote:
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I thought long, slow distance was better for fat loss. Aren't spin
classes more anaerobic?
Spin classes are done "interval training" style. That is, go fast, go
slow, go fast, go slow, etc. My understanding is that intervals training
is best for fat loss and improvement of cardiovascular health.
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"Curt James" <curtjames@gmail.com>wrote in message
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Larry Hodges wrote:

>But when cutting, I shoot for 3 - 5 sets of 10 -12 reps in whatever I'm
>doing. Also, I don't at all focus on increasing my strength / weights,
>but
>rather simply on keeping what I have. Which is tough, and most likely
>not
>be possible if you cut a bunch.

Sounds like, uh, sound advice.

>I'm down 11 lbs in two months currently<snip>

Are you going to post some more pics wearing a longsleeved sweatshirt
and jeans to show off your clothingfat percentage, Larry?

(ducks, runs, etc.)

>-Larry

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Curt
No, I won't post a picture on the Internet of me in my leopard print
G-string. Again.
-Larry
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"joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com>wrote in message
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TheGist wrote:
>Pete wrote:
>>"TheGist" <nowhere@nospam.nospam>schreef:
>>Be carefull not to cut the calories too much. There is a mechanism,
>>millions
>>years old, that will slow down tme BMR when calories are restricted,
>>and the
>>body will feed the fat cells as much as possible, so you can survive.
>>Try Cardio 6 times a week, with one heavy workout.
>>Or cardio 5 times a week, split the body in 2. Dont go below 2000 Kcal.
>>Trust me.
>But suppose my BMR is below 2000 kcal?
>My BMR is about 1900 Kcal. Are you suggesting I actually eat above
>maintenance and create the deficit via excercise? Is that better than
>just eating below BMR?

He refers to the 'starvation mode' which everyone seems to live in fear
of and is totally overated.
umm...no. Wrong.
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Dont worry about eating 'too low' as its
not on a constant longterm basis.
Difine long term. Six months? One month? I would be willing to agree with
this for a week...maybe two.
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You can try zigzagging your calories (track em) and even have the same
number of calories per week but higher calories on weight days and
lower calories (below BMR even) on cardio days.
This I completely agree with. Think in terms of weekly caloric intake, not
daily.
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Rev up the exercise,
eat less (and better choices) and persistance will pay off. About how
much cardio - factor in the calories needed to lose 1lb (3500 calories)
of fat: www.femalemuscle.com/q_a/question16.htm



joanne
In addition, when cutting I always give myself one day per week where I eat
whatever I want. It's commonly called a re-feed day. However, you still
must keep your weekly kcal intake in mind. If you eat under 500 per day,
then eat two pizzas on your refeed day, you've to a large degree negated
your deficit. The re-feed day helps counter the mechanism Pete refers to,
which is a very real issue.
The other part of running an extreme caloric deficit is that you'll lose a
higher percentage of LBM.
-Larry
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Larry Hodges wrote:
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"Curt James" wrote:
>Larry Hodges wrote:
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>>But when cutting, I shoot for 3 - 5 sets of 10 -12 reps in whatever I'm
>>doing. Also, I don't at all focus on increasing my strength / weights,
>>but rather simply on keeping what I have. Which is tough, and most
>>likely not be possible if you cut a bunch.
>
>Sounds like, uh, sound advice.
>
>>I'm down 11 lbs in two months currently<snip>
>
>Are you going to post some more pics wearing a longsleeved sweatshirt
>and jeans to show off your clothingfat percentage, Larry?
>
>(ducks, runs, etc.)

No, I won't post a picture on the Internet of me in my leopard print
G-string. Again.
And I'm okay with that.
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-Larry
Although the ghosts of Vince Gironda and Charles Atlas, I'm guessing,
would cheer you on. Hmm. Actually, Gironda would probably *not* cheer
at all, but instead call you a fat ass. Of course, iirc, he called
Arnold a fat ass, so you'd at least be in good company.
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Curt
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TheGist wrote:
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Putting on mass is easy
I wish I had your problem.
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TheGist wrote:
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Curt James wrote:
>I thought long, slow distance was better for fat loss. Aren't spin
>classes more anaerobic?
Spin classes are done "interval training" style. That is, go fast, go
slow, go fast, go slow, etc. My understanding is that intervals training
is best for fat loss and improvement of cardiovascular health.
Cool. Thanks for the info, G. Spin classes may just be the only thing I
HAVEN'T Googled. ;o)
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Curt
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SEAL wrote:
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TheGist wrote:

>Putting on mass is easy

I wish I had your problem.
I guess I like eating more than you do?
It certainly can't be the amount of time I spend lifting! :)
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