Gotta squat

Zen Cohen

Registered User

Gotta squat

2007-08-31 06:15:59 AM
I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
lower-body exercise has been leg press.
Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
properly.
Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
there's a mirror nearby.
What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo? Also, have
read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
natural movement. Agree? Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
comments
OT enough for you, Dave?
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VinCe

Registered User

2007-08-31 08:40:32 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:

Quote

I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
lower-body exercise has been leg press.

Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
properly.

Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
there's a mirror nearby.

What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
Face the mirror.. Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of

squatting. They are after the weight. While bodybuilders are to form
of the exercise. How about decreasing the weight so you could go
down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
okay.

Quote

Also, have
read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
natural movement. Agree?
Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle

won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.

Quote

Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
comments
Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could

be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
wear belt at all times.

Quote

OT enough for you, Dave?
And oh, good luck sir..

-Vince
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John Hanson

Registered User

2007-08-31 09:11:35 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quote

On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
>Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>properly.
>
>Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>there's a mirror nearby.
>
>What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?

Face the mirror..
Bad advice.

Quote

Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
squatting. They are after the weight.
Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they

squat too wide. On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
to squat as much as THEY can. I train with a guy who squats 700 in
competition and his heels are 11 inches apart. Some of the best
squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances. But,
neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.

Quote

While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.
WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self

esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.

Quote

How about decreasing the weight so you could go
down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
okay.

>Also, have
>read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>natural movement. Agree?

Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.

>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>comments

Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
wear belt at all times.
Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that

is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
-

fitness weights

VinCe

Registered User

2007-08-31 09:38:33 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:

Quote

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>>lower-body exercise has been leg press.

>>Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>>credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>>properly.

>>Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>>lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>>better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>>is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>>there's a mirror nearby.

>>What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?

>Face the mirror..

Bad advice.

>Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
>squatting. They are after the weight.

Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
squat too wide.
Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.

Quote

On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
to squat as much as THEY can.
That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am

is to up the poundage.

Quote

I train with a guy who squats 700 in
competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.
Some of the best
squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.
Well, you said SOME..

Quote

But,
neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.
I agree with that..

Quote

>While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.

WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.

Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on

the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
even robert schuh lift just for their ego...

Quote

>How about decreasing the weight so you could go
>down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
>routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
>body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
>form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
>that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
>okay.

>>Also, have
>>read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>>natural movement. Agree?

>Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
>won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.

>>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>>be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>>comments

>Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
>be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
>healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
>wear belt at all times.

Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
A belt compresses the spine and protects it...

Prevention is better than cure.
Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.
-vince
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John Hanson

Registered User

2007-08-31 10:29:12 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:38:33 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quote

On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
>wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>
>
>>On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>>>lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
>>>Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>>>credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>>>properly.
>
>>>Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>>>lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>>>better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>>>is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>>>there's a mirror nearby.
>
>>>What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
>
>>Face the mirror..
>
>Bad advice.
>
>>Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
>>squatting. They are after the weight.
>
>Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
>squat too wide.

Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.
So what.

Quote

>On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
>to squat as much as THEY can.

That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am
is to up the poundage.
But I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do

you explain that?

Quote

>I train with a guy who squats 700 in
>competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.

>Some of the best
>squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.

Well, you said SOME..
And most aren't very wide.

Quote

>But,
>neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.

I agree with that..

>>While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.
>
>WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
>esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.
>

Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on
the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
even robert schuh lift just for their ego...
No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period. They

have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can grow
muscle. The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
follow them.
Anyhoo, they care less about the movement than powerlifters do.
Powerlifters can get seriously hurt using the poundages they use with
bad form. A bodybuilder can get by with bad form much easier. I'm
not saying bodybuilders use bad form though. Besides, bodybuilders
only care about what the movement does to their body.

Quote

>
>>How about decreasing the weight so you could go
>>down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
>>routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
>>body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
>>form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
>>that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
>>okay.
>
>>>Also, have
>>>read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>>>natural movement. Agree?
>
>>Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
>>won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.
>
>>>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>>>be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>>>comments
>
>>Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
>>be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
>>healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
>>wear belt at all times.
>
>Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
>is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
>is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.

A belt compresses the spine and protects it...

Prevention is better than cure.

I pulled 455X5 a few weeks ago with no belt. No problem. I know a

guy who is 62 years old that has been powerlifting for 40 years and
never uses a belt while deadlifting. You'll prevent far more injuries
by not wearing a belt.

Quote

Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.

I squat over 550. How about you?

VinCe

Registered User

2007-08-31 11:39:56 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 10:29 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:

Quote

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:38:33 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>>>On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>>>>lower-body exercise has been leg press.

>>>>Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>>>>credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>>>>properly.

>>>>Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>>>>lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>>>>better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>>>>is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>>>>there's a mirror nearby.

>>>>What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?

>>>Face the mirror..

>>Bad advice.

>>>Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
>>>squatting. They are after the weight.

>>Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
>>squat too wide.

>Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.

So what.

Figure that yourself...

Quote

>>On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
>>to squat as much as THEY can.

>That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am
>is to up the poundage.

But I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
you explain that?

So boasting, aren't we?

Quote

>>I train with a guy who squats 700 in
>>competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.

>>Some of the best
>>squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.

>Well, you said SOME..

And most aren't very wide.

correct...

Quote

>>But,
>>neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.

>I agree with that..

>>>While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.

>>WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
>>esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.

>Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on
>the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
>many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
>bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
>if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
>even robert schuh lift just for their ego...

No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh.
You're one jealous fatty...

Please explain why rob or any bodybuilder are losers?
What's the difference between powerlifters and bodybuilders?
The weight they're moving?

Quote

Period.
Okay I hear ya, everybody's entitled to their own PERSONAL OPINION

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They
have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can grow
muscle.
huh?

besides the fact that they can grow muscle.
and achieved great
flexibility - seen what tom platz could do?
athleticism - seen what old guys like grimek can do?
knowledge - seen vince gironda's training articles?

Quote

The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
follow them.
Yah, including you..

You lift,
you wanna grow muscles
you're a bodybuilder
you're a LOSER

Quote

Anyhoo, they care less about the movement than powerlifters do.
Powerlifters can get seriously hurt using the poundages they use with
bad form. A bodybuilder can get by with bad form much easier. I'm
not saying bodybuilders use bad form though. Besides, bodybuilders
only care about what the movement does to their body.

That again is your personal opinion... =)

Quote

>>>How about decreasing the weight so you could go
>>>down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
>>>routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
>>>body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
>>>form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
>>>that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
>>>okay.

>>>>Also, have
>>>>read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>>>>natural movement. Agree?

>>>Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
>>>won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.

>>>>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>>>>be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>>>>comments

>>>Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
>>>be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
>>>healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
>>>wear belt at all times.

>>Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
>>is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
>>is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.

>A belt compresses the spine and protects it...

>Prevention is better than cure.

I pulled 455X5 a few weeks ago with no belt. No problem. I know a
guy who is 62 years old that has been powerlifting for 40 years and
never uses a belt while deadlifting. You'll prevent far more injuries
by not wearing a belt.
>Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.

I squat over 550. How about you?
juts in 300s.. But with good form..

-Vince
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VinCe

Registered User

2007-08-31 11:53:35 AM

Re:Gotta squat

And oh, do you know a guy named jack lalane?
Jack LaLanne (b. François Henri LaLanne September 26, 1914) is an
American fitness, exercise and nutritional expert, celebrity,
lecturer, and motivational speaker. LaLanne has been referred to as
"the godfather of fitness."
LaLanne gained worldwide renown for his success as a bodybuilder, as
well as his prodigious feats of strength. He has won numerous awards,
including the Horatio Alger Award from the Association of
Distinguished Americans, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Timeline: Jack LaLanne's Feats
As reported on Jack LaLanne's Web site, and as documented
contemporaneously when they happened:
* 1954 (age 40): Jack swam the entire length of the Golden Gate
Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds of equipment,
including two air tanks. A world record.
* 1955 (age 41): Jack swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's
Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards
he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was
being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to star jump significantly.
* 1956 (age 42): Jack set a world record of 1,033 push ups in 23
minutes on You Asked for It, a television program with Art Baker. He
later celebrated by inventing a new fitness regime which would train
all parts of the body at one time, calling it the star jump.
* 1957 (age 43): Jack swam the Golden Gate Channel while towing a
2,500-pound cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-
mile swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles.
* 1958 (age 44): Jack star jumped atop a paddleboard nonstop from
Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile trip took 9.5
hours.
* 1959 (age 45): Jack did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1
hour, 22 minutes. His well-known white German shepherd, Happy, was
born this year, the same year The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
* 1974 (age 60): For the second time, Jack swam from Alcatraz
Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time
he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound boat.
* 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance 21 years earlier, Jack
again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and
handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound
boat.
* 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States
Bicentennial, Jack swam one mile in Long Beach Harbor. He was
handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13
original colonies) containing 76 people.
* 1979 (age 65): Jack towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo,
Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with
6,500 pounds of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.
* 1980 (age 66): Jack towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The
boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile in less
than one hour.
* 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, Jack fought
strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles while towing 70 boats
with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to
the Queen Mary.
* 1992 (age 78): Jack received the Academy of Body Building and
Fitness Award.
* 1994 (age 80): Jack received the State of California Governor's
Council on Physical Fitness Lifetime Achievement Award.
* 1996 (age 82): Jack received the Dwight D. Eisenhower Fitness
Award.
* 1999 (age 85): Jack received the Spirit of Muscle Beach Award.
* 2002 (age 88): Jack received a star on the Hollywood Boulevard
Walk of Fame.
* 2004 (age 90): Jack celebrated his 90th birthday in New York,
San Francisco, and Los Angeles. ESPN Classic ran a 24-hour marathon of
the original Jack LaLanne television shows.
* 2005 (age 91): Jack received the Jack Webb Award from the Los
Angeles Police Department Historical Society, the Arnold Classic
Lifetime Achievement Award, Interglobal's International Infomercial
Award, the Freddie, and the Medical Media Public Service Award, and he
was a Free Spirit honoree at Al Neuharth's Freedom Forum.
Oh, what a loser he was...
Still alive though....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_lalane
-Vince
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Hobbes

Registered User

2007-08-31 10:00:19 PM

Re:Gotta squat

In article <46d741a5$0$6456$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com>wrote:

Quote

I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
lower-body exercise has been leg press.

Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
properly.

Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
there's a mirror nearby.

What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo? Also, have
read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
natural movement. Agree? Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
comments

OT enough for you, Dave?

Front squat. You'll get instant feedback if you lean.

--
Keith
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Curt

Registered User

2007-09-01 01:27:50 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 30, 9:11 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
[...]

Quote

Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
squat too wide. On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
to squat as much as THEY can. I train with a guy who squats 700 in
competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.
John Kuc, for example.

Quote

Some of the best squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow
squat stances. But, neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct
for everyone.
Agreed.

[...]

Quote

<snip>most bodybuilders have major self esteem issues. Never imitate
anything they do...ever.
heh :o)

I would be happy to yield my 5 minutes to Senator Schuh of Arizona.

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Why wear a belt?
Old joke: Why'd the fireman wear red suspenders? TO KEEP HIS PANTS UP!

ahahahHA!
Humorless bastards.

Quote

I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that is usually
only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
Who would want to do THAT?

Curt

Registered User

2007-09-01 04:33:45 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:

Quote

<snip>I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
you explain that?
Magic.

[...]

Quote

No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.
"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,

but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!

Quote

They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
grow muscle.
Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the

curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.

Quote

The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
follow them. <snip>
Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action

movie.
[...]
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John Hanson

Registered User

2007-09-01 09:21:06 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:39:56 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quote

On Aug 31, 10:29 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:38:33 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
>wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>
>
>>On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>>>On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>>>>>lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
>>>>>Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>>>>>credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>>>>>properly.
>
>>>>>Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>>>>>lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>>>>>better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>>>>>is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>>>>>there's a mirror nearby.
>
>>>>>What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
>
>>>>Face the mirror..
>
>>>Bad advice.
>
>>>>Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
>>>>squatting. They are after the weight.
>
>>>Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
>>>squat too wide.
>
>>Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.
>
>So what.
>

Figure that yourself...
Nothing to figure on my part.

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>
>>>On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
>>>to squat as much as THEY can.
>
>>That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am
>>is to up the poundage.
>
>But I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
>you explain that?
>

So boasting, aren't we?
I am?

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>
>>>I train with a guy who squats 700 in
>>>competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.
>
>>>Some of the best
>>>squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.
>
>>Well, you said SOME..
>
>And most aren't very wide.
>

correct...

>
>
>
>>>But,
>>>neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.
>
>>I agree with that..
>
>>>>While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.
>
>>>WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
>>>esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.
>
>>Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on
>>the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
>>many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
>>bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
>>if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
>>even robert schuh lift just for their ego...
>
>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh.

You're one jealous fatty...
Not at all.

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Please explain why rob or any bodybuilder are losers?
Ever meet these people in person? EXTREMELY INSECURE, very fucked up

people for the most part.

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What's the difference between powerlifters and bodybuilders?
Powerlifters compete at different weight classes where the winner in

each weight class has the highest combined total in the squat, bench
and deadlift.
Bodybuilders compete in different weight/height classes based on their
muscular development, symmetry, etc. with the judging being far more
subjective than in powerlifting.

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The weight they're moving?

>Period.

Okay I hear ya, everybody's entitled to their own PERSONAL OPINION
But mine is correct.

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>They
>have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can grow
>muscle.

huh?

besides the fact that they can grow muscle.

and achieved great

flexibility - seen what tom platz could do?
Bodybuilders are not judged on flexibility, nor are powerlifters.

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athleticism - seen what old guys like grimek can do?
Grimek is dead.

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knowledge - seen vince gironda's training articles?
No

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>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>follow them.

Yah, including you..
No, I do not.

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You lift,
Yes.

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you wanna grow muscles
Not necessarily. I want to be stronger.

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you're a bodybuilder
No, I'm a powerlifter.

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you're a LOSER
Quite the contrary.

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>
>Anyhoo, they care less about the movement than powerlifters do.
>Powerlifters can get seriously hurt using the poundages they use with
>bad form. A bodybuilder can get by with bad form much easier. I'm
>not saying bodybuilders use bad form though. Besides, bodybuilders
>only care about what the movement does to their body.
>

That again is your personal opinion... =)
I doubt any reasonable person would contradict me.

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>
>
>
>>>>How about decreasing the weight so you could go
>>>>down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
>>>>routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
>>>>body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
>>>>form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
>>>>that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
>>>>okay.
>
>>>>>Also, have
>>>>>read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>>>>>natural movement. Agree?
>
>>>>Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
>>>>won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.
>
>>>>>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>>>>>be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>>>>>comments
>
>>>>Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
>>>>be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
>>>>healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
>>>>wear belt at all times.
>
>>>Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
>>>is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
>>>is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
>
>>A belt compresses the spine and protects it...
>
>>Prevention is better than cure.
>
>I pulled 455X5 a few weeks ago with no belt. No problem. I know a
>guy who is 62 years old that has been powerlifting for 40 years and
>never uses a belt while deadlifting. You'll prevent far more injuries
>by not wearing a belt.

>>Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.
>
>I squat over 550. How about you?

juts in 300s.. But with good form..
Bummer dude. Train harder. Also, I guarantee you my form is very

good. It has to be with 550 on your back.
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John Hanson

Registered User

2007-09-01 09:30:05 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:53:35 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quote

And oh, do you know a guy named jack lalane?
I never met him but I know of him.

Jack LaLanne (b. François Henri LaLanne September 26, 1914) is an
American fitness, exercise and nutritional expert, celebrity,
lecturer, and motivational speaker. LaLanne has been referred to as
"the godfather of fitness."

LaLanne gained worldwide renown for his success as a bodybuilder, as
well as his prodigious feats of strength. He has won numerous awards,
including the Horatio Alger Award from the Association of
Distinguished Americans, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
I never knew Jack competed as a bodybuilder. What shows did he do?

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Timeline: Jack LaLanne's Feats

As reported on Jack LaLanne's Web site, and as documented
contemporaneously when they happened:

* 1954 (age 40): Jack swam the entire length of the Golden Gate
Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds of equipment,
including two air tanks. A world record.
Big deal. Tech divers will carry 300 pounds of gear underwater. I've

carried nearly 100 pounds before. And, I was completely weightless
underwater. The only thing that Jack had to concern himself with was
being streamlined to cut down on drag. I'm sure he was neutrally
buoyant or he would have sunk to the bottom with even an extra 25
pounds of weight. The amount of weight you have on you out of the
water is meaningless underwater.

Quote

* 1955 (age 41): Jack swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's
Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards
he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was
being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to star jump significantly.
* 1956 (age 42): Jack set a world record of 1,033 push ups in 23
minutes on You Asked for It, a television program with Art Baker. He
later celebrated by inventing a new fitness regime which would train
all parts of the body at one time, calling it the star jump.
* 1957 (age 43): Jack swam the Golden Gate Channel while towing a
2,500-pound cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-
mile swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles.
* 1958 (age 44): Jack star jumped atop a paddleboard nonstop from
Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile trip took 9.5
hours.
* 1959 (age 45): Jack did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1
hour, 22 minutes. His well-known white German shepherd, Happy, was
born this year, the same year The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
* 1974 (age 60): For the second time, Jack swam from Alcatraz
Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time
he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound boat.
* 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance 21 years earlier, Jack
again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and
handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound
boat.
* 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States
Bicentennial, Jack swam one mile in Long Beach Harbor. He was
handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13
original colonies) containing 76 people.
* 1979 (age 65): Jack towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo,
Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with
6,500 pounds of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.
* 1980 (age 66): Jack towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The
boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile in less
than one hour.
* 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, Jack fought
strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles while towing 70 boats
with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to
the Queen Mary.
* 1992 (age 78): Jack received the Academy of Body Building and
Fitness Award.
* 1994 (age 80): Jack received the State of California Governor's
Council on Physical Fitness Lifetime Achievement Award.
* 1996 (age 82): Jack received the Dwight D. Eisenhower Fitness
Award.
* 1999 (age 85): Jack received the Spirit of Muscle Beach Award.
* 2002 (age 88): Jack received a star on the Hollywood Boulevard
Walk of Fame.
* 2004 (age 90): Jack celebrated his 90th birthday in New York,
San Francisco, and Los Angeles. ESPN Classic ran a 24-hour marathon of
the original Jack LaLanne television shows.
* 2005 (age 91): Jack received the Jack Webb Award from the Los
Angeles Police Department Historical Society, the Arnold Classic
Lifetime Achievement Award, Interglobal's International Infomercial
Award, the Freddie, and the Medical Media Public Service Award, and he
was a Free Spirit honoree at Al Neuharth's Freedom Forum.

Oh, what a loser he was...

Still alive though....

and what do his feats of strength endurance have to do with a 62 year

old guy never wearing a belt while pulling a limit deadlift?
-

John Hanson

Registered User

2007-09-01 09:37:32 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:33:45 -0000, Curt <curtjames@gmail.com>wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

Quote

On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
><snip>I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
>you explain that?

Magic.

[...]

>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.

"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!
Why does my business card have the word Expert in the title? And no,

I didn't give it to myself.

Quote

>They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
>grow muscle.

Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.
Queer?

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>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>follow them. <snip>

Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
movie.

I don't cheer for make believe shit.

Curt

Registered User

2007-09-01 09:56:20 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 9:21 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:

Quote

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:39:56 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
wrote
[...]

Quote

>So boasting, aren't we?

I am?
Not around *this* guy:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/hewillALWAYSbeatyou.jpg
[...]

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>Please explain why rob or any bodybuilder are losers?

Ever meet these people in person? EXTREMELY INSECURE, very fucked up
people for the most part.
Arnold's a loser. Right. Gee, if he would have been a powerlifter,

why, maybe he would have accomplished something.
And Schuh folded, threw in the towel, called it quits. Right. I wonder
what *you*'d do if your kidneys failed on you. Probably piss your
pants and cry for mommy. A guess. Perhaps unfair.

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>What's the difference between powerlifters and bodybuilders?
Bodybuilders don't whine about powerlifters? Another guess.

[...]

Quote

>Okay I hear ya, everybody's entitled to their own PERSONAL OPINION

But mine is correct.
Yours is poop.

[...]

Quote

>athleticism - seen what old guys like grimek can do?

Grimek is dead.
I met Grimek. Grimek represented the U.S. in Olympic weightlifting.

Grimek was undefeated as a bodybuilder, competing in contests from Mr.
America to Mr. Universe.
Grimek could squat more than 400 lbs.
For reps.
In his sixties.
Grimek could clean and jerk more than you can bench.
Grimek lifted the Cyr dumbbell (weight 285.5 lbs.) overhead with *one*
arm and at a bodyweight of 185 lbs.
Beeyotch.
Yes, Grimek is dead. And you'll be dead, too, one day, but who will be
reciting your accomplishments in the iron game? Idiot.
[...]

Quote

>you wanna grow muscles

Not necessarily. I want to be stronger.
Okay, Steve.

Sag

Registered User

2007-09-01 10:04:28 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 30, 7:15 pm, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com>wrote:

Quote

Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
there's a mirror nearby.
Forget mirrors. You can´t judge real depth unless you look at your

squat from the side, to check that hips are lower than knees.

Quote

What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo? Also, have
read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
natural movement. Agree? Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
comments
* Look at this video:

video.google.com/videoplay
* Do overhead squats. You can´t cheat on these, and you'll feel what
correct form is. Replicate the stance on your normal squats.
* Read 'Starting Strength', by coach Rippetooe. There are about 60
pages dedicated to correct squat form, with cues for every defect you
can think of. As an comparision, 'The Insider's Tell-All Handbook on
Weight-Training Technique' by Stuart McRobert only dedicates about 5
or 6 pages.
Good luck and keep your hams tight.
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Curt

Registered User

2007-09-01 10:12:59 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 9:37 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:

Quote

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:33:45 -0000, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com>wrote
>On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
[...]

Quote

>>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.

>"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
>but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!

Why does my business card have the word Expert in the title? And no,
I didn't give it to myself.
Expert what, though?

John Hanson
Expert Idiot
555-IQ00

Quote

>>They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
>>grow muscle.

>Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
>curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.

Queer?
See? I mention the curve of a woman's leg and you reply with the word

queer. Odd. Okay, maybe not for an idiot.
Wait! Ohhh, I get it. No, John, I'm not interested in your sexual
orientation.

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>>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>>follow them. <snip>

>Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
>movie.

I don't cheer for make believe shit.
Another example of your idiocy, imo. In the past you've made a big

deal about net worth yadayada and here you're showing contempt for
"make believe" while compared to Arnold you don't have two pennies to
rub together. Oh, it's real and it all stems from bodybuilding.
-

David

Registered User

2007-09-01 10:31:46 AM

Re:Gotta squat

"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com>wrote in message

Quote

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:33:45 -0000, Curt <curtjames@gmail.com>wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

>On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>><snip>I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
>>you explain that?
>
>Magic.
>
>[...]
>
>>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.
>
>"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
>but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!

Why does my business card have the word Expert in the title? And no,
I didn't give it to myself.

>
>>They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
>>grow muscle.
>
>Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
>curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.

Queer?

>
>>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>>follow them. <snip>
>
>Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
>movie.
>
I don't cheer for make believe shit.
right on. one thing you need to keep in mind that Curt gets most of his

knowledge from comic books
right Curt?
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David

Registered User

2007-09-01 10:46:39 AM

Re:Gotta squat

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com>wrote in message

Quote

On Aug 31, 9:37 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:33:45 -0000, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com>wrote
>>On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
[...]

>>>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.
>
>>"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
>>but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!
>
>Why does my business card have the word Expert in the title? And no,
>I didn't give it to myself.

Expert what, though?

John Hanson
Expert Idiot
555-IQ00

>>>They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
>>>grow muscle.
>
>>Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
>>curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.
>
>Queer?

See? I mention the curve of a woman's leg and you reply with the word
queer. Odd. Okay, maybe not for an idiot.

Wait! Ohhh, I get it. No, John, I'm not interested in your sexual
orientation.

>>>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>>>follow them. <snip>
>
>>Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
>>movie.
>
>I don't cheer for make believe shit.

Another example of your idiocy, imo. In the past you've made a big
deal about net worth yadayada and here you're showing contempt for
"make believe" while compared to Arnold you don't have two pennies to
rub together. Oh, it's real and it all stems from bodybuilding.
Curt, you're full of shit. John has done well, worked hard nothing wrong

with that.
Hey to each his own - if you get carried away when Batman and Robin swoop in
and clear out the bad guys, well nothing wrong with that (nothing much
anyway)

Quote

--
Curt

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VinCe

Registered User

2007-09-01 11:13:52 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Sep 1, 9:30 am, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:

Quote

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:53:35 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>And oh, do you know a guy named jack lalane?

I never met him but I know of him.

>Jack LaLanne (b. François Henri LaLanne September 26, 1914) is an
>American fitness, exercise and nutritional expert, celebrity,
>lecturer, and motivational speaker. LaLanne has been referred to as
>"the godfather of fitness."

>LaLanne gained worldwide renown for his success as a bodybuilder, as
>well as his prodigious feats of strength. He has won numerous awards,
>including the Horatio Alger Award from the Association of
>Distinguished Americans, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

I never knew Jack competed as a bodybuilder. What shows did he do?

....He bacame a Bodybuilder and competed in several competitons on the

West Coast.
Care to google?
here's the link bro:
www.mannacabana.com/cabanaboards/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=158925&Main=158925
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>Timeline: Jack LaLanne's Feats

>As reported on Jack LaLanne's Web site, and as documented
>contemporaneously when they happened:

>* 1954 (age 40): Jack swam the entire length of the Golden Gate
>Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds of equipment,
>including two air tanks. A world record.

Big deal. Tech divers will carry 300 pounds of gear underwater. I've
carried nearly 100 pounds before. And, I was completely weightless
underwater. The only thing that Jack had to concern himself with was
being streamlined to cut down on drag. I'm sure he was neutrally
buoyant or he would have sunk to the bottom with even an extra 25
pounds of weight. The amount of weight you have on you out of the
water is meaningless underwater.

>* 1955 (age 41): Jack swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's
>Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards
>he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was
>being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to star jump significantly.
>* 1956 (age 42): Jack set a world record of 1,033 push ups in 23
>minutes on You Asked for It, a television program with Art Baker. He
>later celebrated by inventing a new fitness regime which would train
>all parts of the body at one time, calling it the star jump.
>* 1957 (age 43): Jack swam the Golden Gate Channel while towing a
>2,500-pound cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-
>mile swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles.
>* 1958 (age 44): Jack star jumped atop a paddleboard nonstop from
>Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile trip took 9.5
>hours.
>* 1959 (age 45): Jack did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1
>hour, 22 minutes. His well-known white German shepherd, Happy, was
>born this year, the same year The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
>* 1974 (age 60): For the second time, Jack swam from Alcatraz
>Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time
>he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound boat.
>* 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance 21 years earlier, Jack
>again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and
>handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound
>boat.
>* 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States
>Bicentennial, Jack swam one mile in Long Beach Harbor. He was
>handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13
>original colonies) containing 76 people.
>* 1979 (age 65): Jack towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo,
>Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with
>6,500 pounds of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.
>* 1980 (age 66): Jack towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The
>boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile in less
>than one hour.
>* 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, Jack fought
>strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles while towing 70 boats
>with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to
>the Queen Mary.
>* 1992 (age 78): Jack received the Academy of Body Building and
>Fitness Award.
>* 1994 (age 80): Jack received the State of California Governor's
>Council on Physical Fitness Lifetime Achievement Award.
>* 1996 (age 82): Jack received the Dwight D. Eisenhower Fitness
>Award.
>* 1999 (age 85): Jack received the Spirit of Muscle Beach Award.
>* 2002 (age 88): Jack received a star on the Hollywood Boulevard
>Walk of Fame.
>* 2004 (age 90): Jack celebrated his 90th birthday in New York,
>San Francisco, and Los Angeles. ESPN Classic ran a 24-hour marathon of
>the original Jack LaLanne television shows.
>* 2005 (age 91): Jack received the Jack Webb Award from the Los
>Angeles Police Department Historical Society, the Arnold Classic
>Lifetime Achievement Award, Interglobal's International Infomercial
>Award, the Freddie, and the Medical Media Public Service Award, and he
>was a Free Spirit honoree at Al Neuharth's Freedom Forum.

>Oh, what a loser he was...

>Still alive though....

and what do his feats of strength endurance have to do with a 62 year
old guy never wearing a belt while pulling a limit deadlift?
Nah, try reading well, sugah,

I was pertaining to bodybuilders as losers, like you said...
-Vince
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Curt

Registered User

2007-09-02 12:58:11 AM

Re:Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 10:31 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:

Quote

"John Hanson" <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote in message
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:33:45 -0000, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com>wrote
>>On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>>><snip>I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
>>>you explain that?

>>Magic.

>>[...]

>>>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.

>>"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
>>but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!

>Why does my business card have the word Expert in the title? And no,
>I didn't give it to myself.

>>>They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
>>>grow muscle.

>>Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
>>curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.

>Queer?

>>>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>>>follow them. <snip>

>>Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
>>movie.

>I don't cheer for make believe shit.

right on. one thing you need to keep in mind that Curt gets most of his
knowledge from comic books right Curt?
But they're comic books published by PUBMED!

David, you "loser." ;o)
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David

Registered User

2007-09-02 01:11:43 AM

Re:Gotta squat

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com>wrote in message

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On Aug 31, 10:31 pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:
>"John Hanson" <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote in message
>>On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:33:45 -0000, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com>wrote
>>>On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com>wrote:
>>>><snip>I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How
>>>>do
>>>>you explain that?
>
>>>Magic.
>
>>>[...]
>
>>>>No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.
>
>>>"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
>>>but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!
>
>>Why does my business card have the word Expert in the title? And no,
>>I didn't give it to myself.
>
>>>>They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
>>>>grow muscle.
>
>>>Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
>>>curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.
>
>>Queer?
>
>>>>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
>>>>follow them. <snip>
>
>>>Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
>>>movie.
>
>>I don't cheer for make believe shit.
>
>right on. one thing you need to keep in mind that Curt gets most of his
>knowledge from comic books right Curt?

But they're comic books published by PUBMED!

David, you "loser." ;o)

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Curt
I've just ordered a t-shirt says "Gotcha, Curt!" - I'll post a photo. Ha ha!

Pubmed! haha! Sure. I am envious Curt - You get joy from these delightful
things like hero figures and comic books - unfortunately for me I grew up!
ha ha "Gotcha Curt!!: Ha ha! Now what about the June Humour Award? Ha ha!!
(I'm meeting the janitor now at the pub, he has that t-shirt for me)
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